Just thought I'd mention this.

[pixelot]

Now, I'm no impressive hacker, so I don't feel like I have much license to speak, but I will mention that the grammar among "hackers," at least on these forums, seems pretty poor.

However, it does seem like the most competent or "rounded" hackers do have better grammar; it's just a generalization.

[canine]

Now, I'm no impressive hacker, so I don't feel like I have much license to speak, but I will mention that the grammar among "hackers," at least on these forums, seems pretty poor.

However, it does seem like the most competent or "rounded" hackers do have better grammar; it's just a generalization.

You have stumbled upon an interesting trend.

[pixelot]

And it's certain that "crackers" rarely take time to articulate and communicate. To real "hackers," of course, these properties are essential.

Check out this quote from http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html#attitude:

Being a native English-speaker does not guarantee that you have language skills good enough to function as a hacker. If your writing is semi-literate, ungrammatical, and riddled with misspellings, many hackers (including myself) will tend to ignore you. While sloppy writing does not invariably mean sloppy thinking, we've generally found the correlation to be strong — and we have no use for sloppy thinkers. If you can't yet write competently, learn to.

[canine]

And it's certain that "crackers" rarely take time to articulate and communicate. To real "hackers," of course, these properties are essential.

Check out this quote from http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html#attitude:

Being a native English-speaker does not guarantee that you have language skills good enough to function as a hacker. If your writing is semi-literate, ungrammatical, and riddled with misspellings, many hackers (including myself) will tend to ignore you. While sloppy writing does not invariably mean sloppy thinking, we've generally found the correlation to be strong — and we have no use for sloppy thinkers. If you can't yet write competently, learn to.

Oh yeah. ESR is most certainly the authority on the subject.

[Grand_Master]

I agree.. The spelling and grammar of this forum is horrible.

I can accept this, in cases people don't use native english.
All this wannbe slang is pretty disturbing, though.

[WhiteKnight]

I agree.. The spelling and grammar of this forum is horrible.

I can accept this, in cases people don't use native english.
All this wannbe slang is pretty disturbing, though.

I completely agreed with Grand_Master. But flexibility is needed since they have the right to free speech even though it isn't in correct grammar and spelling. Otherwise this forum would become a English classroom.

[canine]

I agree.. The spelling and grammar of this forum is horrible.

I can accept this, in cases people don't use native english.
All this wannbe slang is pretty disturbing, though.

I completely agreed with Grand_Master. But flexibility is needed since they have the right to free speech even though it isn't in correct grammar and spelling. Otherwise this forum would become a English classroom.

If I have difficulty understanding them then I have difficulty helping them. And this forum isn't an English classroom.

Those who are lacking in their english should go elsewhere.

Learn to crawl before you walk.

[WhiteKnight]

I agree.. The spelling and grammar of this forum is horrible.

I can accept this, in cases people don't use native english.
All this wannbe slang is pretty disturbing, though.

I completely agreed with Grand_Master. But flexibility is needed since they have the right to free speech even though it isn't in correct grammar and spelling. Otherwise this forum would become a English classroom.

If I have difficulty understanding them then I have difficulty helping them. And this forum isn't an English classroom.

Those who are lacking in their english should go elsewhere.

Learn to crawl before you walk.

I respect your ideal, but how you define if they're lacking English?

[canine]

I completely agreed with Grand_Master. But flexibility is needed since they have the right to free speech even though it isn't in correct grammar and spelling. Otherwise this forum would become a English classroom.

If I have difficulty understanding them then I have difficulty helping them. And this forum isn't an English classroom.

Those who are lacking in their english should go elsewhere.

Learn to crawl before you walk.

I respect your ideal, but how you define if they're lacking English?

Uhh, frequently butchering the language in a way that makes understanding it difficult. So some occasional mistakes here and there are slightly annoying, but forgiveable.

When I spend more time deciphering what ther person wrote, than on the content of their question, there is a serious problem.

Also, NEVER criticize someone else's writing unless yours is flawless. Unless it is indecipherable, as noted previously. In that case you can gently ask for a clarification.

[WhiteKnight]

I see. Thank for your comment.

[canine]

I see. Thank for your comment.

Effective communication is vital on such a limited medium as the internet.

[S3th]

I also agree.
http://www.hacker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=798

Ignore the "wut".
Thats just how, what, is said when you don't understand what they are talking about, as they do not use proper spelling. :/