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Weird Ranking
Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 10:47 am
by Vlatiha
Hello,
I've noticed, that when I check my current ranking via [url]
http://www.hacker.org/forum/profile.php ... ile&u=4652[/url], my ranking jumps up and down over the day.
Sometimes I'm on level 70, a few hours later on level 36 or even level 20. Then it drops down to level 72 again.
I'm not doing any riddles in the moment, so my understanding of the rating is, that the level can only increase over the time, since others - like you - are having successes as well.
What's the matter with that ranking thing?
Cheerz
Vlati
Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 7:24 pm
by Redford
The ranking got broken many months ago, but unfortunately nobody takes care about the site.
I mailed admins about this problem (and others), but they don't have time to fix it/don't respond. I hope some day a new person will take over hacker.org and fix all that issues.
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 2:41 pm
by AMindForeverVoyaging
The only person who could fix such things is adum. Nobody else has access to the website's code itself, as far as I know.
A website that has only one single maintainer will always run into problems when said maintainer does not have the time anymore to look after things.
Posted: Sun Jun 15, 2014 3:06 pm
by Redford
AMindForeverVoyaging: how about bok? I think he can fix it too.
We need a new admin, otherwise the site will get worse and worse :/
Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:56 am
by AMindForeverVoyaging
Redford wrote:AMindForeverVoyaging: how about bok? I think he can fix it too.
bok's last post in this forum was in 2008, and his last activity regarding puzzles was in 2010 according to his profile. So it seems that he is gone for good.
We need a new admin, otherwise the site will get worse and worse :/
Either we need a new one, or we need an old one to return. At the moment neither is happening.
Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 7:51 pm
by Zeta
Back to the original question: The ranking is not exactly broken, but you sometimes see bogus values. This occurs while computing the global score from the ranking tables of the different puzzles on this site. Unfortunately these intermediate values are user visible.
At some point the ranking had several problems including a permanent recalculation of the global score, so that you would never see the final result of a calculation because it would immediately be set to zero again when the next calculation started.
AFAICS the
ranking table itself is correctly calculated now, you only have to make sure it's a complete ranking, i.e. tails should have over 1000 points. Ranking entries on the profile pages can be wrong for some of the first players with a score now so low that they don't even get an entry in the ranking table.
Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:23 am
by Hckr
Could it be that the ranking table is not updated at all? I noticed when i saw Hippo's profile
http://www.hacker.org/forum/profile.php ... le&u=33373
He should be way higher..
Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 9:28 pm
by Hippo
Yes I have tought about it as well
...
My total ranking is 296 with subrankings 91, 9, 277, 19, 169, 855, 42, 95, and 18.
... either the PusherBoy (855 is the most important) or there the rankings does not work at all.
(277 and 95 are just by time of full solution).
OK I should solve 4 PusheBoy levels to have all subrankings better than total ranking
.
Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 12:00 am
by Zeta
Yes, the top hackers list isn't updated anymore. Cron jobs don't seem to be possible with the current hosting solution.
According to my own calculations Hippo is currently ranked number 20:
Code: Select all
1 tails 1088.56931 2011-09-18 22:57:40
2 Yharaskrik 774.70417 2015-04-09 05:42
3 zeased 648.71126 2014-11-12 09:39
4 Tron 613.84666 2012-04-30 12:01
5 miroe 599.00076 2015-01-11 13:56
6 Zeta 561.35022 2015-05-17 12:00
7 adum 559.81847 2011-05-22 17:01
8 portal 552.56427 2013-04-11 07:07
9 Schlaule 530.31107 2014-12-12 14:26
10 bellerophon 527.69560 2015-05-12 10:24:13
11 stubbscroll 458.91462 2014-04-27 16:04
12 cutter 455.85582 2012-09-27 06:37
13 eremes 451.09838 2015-05-01 07:47:11
14 dangermouse 450.42113 2015-04-17 13:20
15 dividead 426.95168 2015-02-25 13:08
16 papa 415.51603 2014-11-29 03:13
17 Captain Segfault 401.97065 2010-08-25 00:26
18 SnakeSnake 401.10795 2013-02-10 08:19:55
19 bsguedes 397.39771 2015-05-03 11:30:27
20 Hippo 391.26813 2015-05-20 14:51
Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 8:25 pm
by Hippo
I have a question to this ranking ... is
A) only set of solved puzzles and levels important
or
B) the solution time is part of the scoring as well.
Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 7:18 pm
by Zeta
It's A. Times don't count, only if you get there in the end.
Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:10 pm
by AMindForeverVoyaging
Zeta wrote:It's A. Times don't count, only if you get there in the end.
That is also the only way it makes sense here, really.
Imagine somebody playing the puzzles by hand... then they stop doing a puzzle for a year. Should this whole year then count towards the time for solving that level? Would not make a lot of sense now, would it. Because they were quite obviously not spending that entire time on solving some puzzle.
Using time span (or rank) in a competition is only fair when everybody starts at the same point of time. That never was the case for anything on hacker.org: Neither for the puzzles nor for the challenges. So it's kind of weird that rank does count for the scoring of the challenges. It really should not.