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Hot'n Tropic Climate
Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 3:00 pm
by dangermouse
Does the challenge title imply some algorithm to be used to decode the message? Or rather the author of the algorithm?
Hot'n Tropic Climate
Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 1:26 pm
by TheBigBoss
The substring "n Tropi" from the title sounds like "entropy".
So it's more likely a data compression rather than a crypto encoding.
One of my first guesses was a continued fraction, from which I got 24 integers below 128.
But these integers don't make sense at all, so I think it's the wrong way.
And what's about the number 25 from the challenge?
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 11:30 am
by AMindForeverVoyaging
Seeing how teebee is back on the forum:
Could we please have a hint for this challenge? Only 4 out of 56 people have solved it, which means that it is pretty damn hard.
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2016 1:46 pm
by teebee
The hint is already given by TheBigBoss ...
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:55 am
by AMindForeverVoyaging
teebee wrote:The hint is already given by TheBigBoss ...
Well, he never solved the challenge. Nor did anybody else in the past five years.
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 3:47 pm
by TheBigBoss
I know how the text is encoed. The big problem is to find the right alphabet and the frequencies. All my brute-force-solvers took too much time to find the right answer.
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2016 9:16 pm
by teebee
Oh, I see. I have reverted the changes from revision
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =659346887.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 8:55 am
by eulerscheZahl
What did you do against rounding errors?
I can clearly see two familiar words at the beginning.
I blew the numbers up to calculate with sage (BigInteger library supporting fractions), but the end of the text looks quite random to me (ends with 'gaso').
By the way: the continued fraction is [0, 1, 6, 26, 2, 124, 1, 1, 4, 3, 3, 13, 1, 42, 1, 1, 8, 1, 55, 1, 16, 1, 3, 2, 2, 1, 5, 1, 45, 2, 1, 1, 1, 2].
I'm telling this, because this doesn't help at all :)
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:46 pm
by TheBigBoss
When I say, I know the encoding, I do not talk about continued fractions.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 4:50 pm
by eulerscheZahl
Me neither.
As I got the first two words, I should be on the right track.
Against the hot climate, you could use an air conditioner - maybe that's the reason for the challenge name.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 6:56 pm
by TheBigBoss
I fed my algorithm with the familiar words too and came quite near to the number given in the challenge. But this approach is not very promising, because the Greedy-algorithm approach will not necessarily converge to the plain text in each and every case.
The NTL library does a good job for me. I have no trouble with rounding errors.
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2016 10:08 pm
by teebee
eulerscheZahl wrote:[...] (ends with 'gaso').
Use 2.360 instead of 2.361 ...
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 3:40 am
by eulerscheZahl
2.360 - that was really helpful.
Now both sage and pari/gp find the correct solution.
TheBigBoss wrote:I fed my algorithm with the familiar words too and came quite near to the number given in the challenge.
You know, that you can reverse the function, right?
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 7:40 am
by AMindForeverVoyaging
teebee wrote:Use 2.360 instead of 2.361 ...
eulerscheZahl wrote:2.360 - that was really helpful.
Now both sage and pari/gp find the correct solution.
The whole challenge falls apart when one value is off by one thousandth? Now that seems a bit silly.
Especially when neither 2.360 nor 2.361 can be proven to be the absolute correct value. It really depends on which source you use; and there is no way of telling which source is the right one to use.
Posted: Tue Sep 06, 2016 8:08 am
by eulerscheZahl
Compare the value for 'w' in
wikipedia 2009 and
wikipedia now on the on hand and
wikipedia 2015 on the other hand.
The value was changed back to 2.360 just two days ago from a German IP (teebee, is that you

?).
Maybe that's the reason, that noone solved it for a long time.