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You want to learn hacking? You know what hacking is?
Hacking is rebuilding or taking over systems, hacking does not include: Writing batch files believing you make viruses (Acutally worms, but skidds call everything viruses) or making harmful files at all. That is cracking, if it's cracking you want to learn please don't stay at this site. go to www.phrozencrew.net since their known for their shit cracking.

Now lets get starterd, since the first tool in hacking is understanding a computer language. that's what you should learn, well that's not aseasy as it sound but not hard either.

The main languages are:

C++ ( Easy and popular )
Python ( Easy new and strong )
Java ( Hard, Complicated and with less use )
Perl ( An dynamic language not commonly used )
Ruby ( An upgrade of Perl )

No C isn't a used language anymore and nothing supports it, learning C is trash.

Well what about these languages? i want to start with and easy one.
Well in diffrence from the myth of python being so easy, C++ is more complex and consequent.

But should i learn C++? asking me sure but you maybe should consider this: C++ might be easy to learn once you understund it but so is also Python, the big diffrence is that python is stronger. At a higher level Python works better the C++ and has alot more strenght and alot less low level features.

Okey. I pick C++ anyway.. so what now?
C++, you probably should learn what you are getting into on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C++

Okey, now i read up and i am ready to learn!
Good well... ye. By learning a language you must understand the logics of it, or it will be become very hard. Now by learning this language i recommend a free way of learning it. Following: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/C%2B%2B_Programming/TOC1 , when you learn more stop by and test your knowledge don't just rewrite but customize as good as you can and you will early be drawn in to it. If you don't feel like the logic fit into you and you need to see the words in action. PLEASE test Youtube.com it's free, just search for C++. Don't just copy what ever you see, learn it and make own ways of using it.

Well this is the first step, later it's up to you to evolve futher, but this is all i can tell you right now. Good Luck!

to be frank this is a steaming pile of excrement, you should chew your right arm off for this atrocity

codex and his words


hehe


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liidian in the more american political speak

it was a great addition to our forum as a community we can build off this information and become a great forum.

Unfortunately the use of political speech generally means avoiding the truth, mincing words as well as sugar coating everything, but to summarize my view once again: if you were anywhere near me when publishing this post I'd have thrown a hot buttered crumpet at your face (the hot butter adds to the damage).

I have to point out that for a serious programmer C (which apparently isn't supported by anything ) is usually the way to go or C++*. Although C (and C++ too to a lesser extent) it's a low level language which doesn't give you the benefit of higher level things such as HTTP requests, hash tables (dictionaries) and even things like text based operations straight off the bat like you would in Python, it does however grant you much more power in your programs as C code is little abstracted from the hardware which results in you having a lot less unnecessary checks, rearrangements and other things in your resulting program which is the trade off for things like Python. One fairly good example of the kind of speed differences you can experience is with Runaway Robot solvers, my C solver took 0.008 seconds to solve level 513 (with no optimizing the algorithm) whereas an equivalent Python solution took over 10 minutes, that makes C over 7,500,000x faster in this case. C and inherently C++ (if you've read the note) is also capable of much more than Python for things and good examples of that is writing OSes (most are written in C with asm) and even writing a lot of scripting languages such as Perl, PHP and Ruby. C is not trash, Liidian is.

Next up on the Liidian bashing list is JAVA, is it really hard, complicated and less useful? JAVA is easy enough to learn that you can get books less than 200 pages on the subject of learning it which will have you set up for life with it, it is also commonly taught at universities in a range of subjects (not just first year Computer Science) due to its portability and ease of use due to it being a high level language which allows you to make GUI based applications with relative ease and is a bit like a mix of C++ and Python and is faster than Python but slower than C++. JAVA is far from useless, Liidian isn't.

Finally the educational value of Liidian's post can be summerised by this C:**

*C++ is unsurprisingly derived from C, C code can even be compiled with a C++ compiler, as C++ is pretty much C with some Object Oriented extra features but just because they are there it doesn't mean you have to use them.
**That's the minimum value that can be held in an single precision IEEE-754 float which is 2[sup]-126[/sup], I wasn't harsh enough to use the minimum double value

CodeX wrote:Unfortunately the use of political speech generally means avoiding the truth, mincing words as well as sugar coating everything, but to summarize my view once again: if you were anywhere near me when publishing this post I'd have thrown a hot buttered crumpet at your face (the hot butter adds to the damage).

I have to point out that for a serious programmer C (which apparently isn't supported by anything ) is usually the way to go or C++*. Although C (and C++ too to a lesser extent) it's a low level language which doesn't give you the benefit of higher level things such as HTTP requests, hash tables (dictionaries) and even things like text based operations straight off the bat like you would in Python, it does however grant you much more power in your programs as C code is little abstracted from the hardware which results in you having a lot less unnecessary checks, rearrangements and other things in your resulting program which is the trade off for things like Python. One fairly good example of the kind of speed differences you can experience is with Runaway Robot solvers, my C solver took 0.008 seconds to solve level 513 (with no optimizing the algorithm) whereas an equivalent Python solution took over 10 minutes, that makes C over 7,500,000x faster in this case. C and inherently C++ (if you've read the note) is also capable of much more than Python for things and good examples of that is writing OSes (most are written in C with asm) and even writing a lot of scripting languages such as Perl, PHP and Ruby. C is not trash, Liidian is.

Next up on the Liidian bashing list is JAVA, is it really hard, complicated and less useful? JAVA is easy enough to learn that you can get books less than 200 pages on the subject of learning it which will have you set up for life with it, it is also commonly taught at universities in a range of subjects (not just first year Computer Science) due to its portability and ease of use due to it being a high level language which allows you to make GUI based applications with relative ease and is a bit like a mix of C++ and Python and is faster than Python but slower than C++. JAVA is far from useless, Liidian isn't.

Finally the educational value of Liidian's post can be summerised by this C:

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int x = 0xbf4d9fac;
printf("Liidian's "information"'s value is about on par with %e",*((float*)&x));

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*C++ is unsurprisingly derived from C, C code can even be compiled with a C++ compiler, as C++ is pretty much C with some Object Oriented extra features but just because they are there it doesn't mean you have to use them.
**That's the minimum value that can be held in an single precision IEEE-754 float which is 2[sup]-126[/sup], I wasn't harsh enough to use the minimum double value

C is a dead language, whom ever use it should eiter learn C++ or go to hell.
Second since there's alot of shit spamming on this forum regarding "I WANNA LEARNZ HACK" i thought this might be a good idea, MR. I don't think before i speak.
You see i didn't write this to help any1 but myself, everything in it is not my belief but a common fact. therefore you can stop acting smart and leave this thread alone.
Second, I don't know if you are trying to say that my statement about Python being stronger then C++ but if you are, you're wrong. Python itself is ranked as a High-Level language while C++ is not. Second i never trashed Perl, or Php, Perl itself is trash tbh since Ruby is an uppgrade of it. Php? how do you even get php into the conversation, i didn't even mention it ONCE in the text. JAVA is not that usable and it's hardly combined with other languages. JAVA is neither easy to learn compared to other languages.

Finally i will beg you to stop acting smarter then you are and leave me alone or i will self do something about it. Just the fact that you had to show us a code (Which you probably didn't write yourself) is just proving the fact that you believe you're smarter then you are.

C really isn't dead, a brief look at the recent code floating around the internet shows that, and how often in your "Hello World" programs do you even use the ++ part of C++ that would warrant it's users to learn C++ or suffer a fate marginally worse than knowing you?

Regarding your 'reason' for posting: there are many decent articles on beginning 'hacking' all over the internet, and considering that the question pops up so many times on the forums with answers it suggests that these people don't even look on the forums for any sort of answer before they post some question about how to hack the computer of their friend/girlfriend/sibling ect., how to get said person's 'lost' or otherwise unknown password or the seemingly simple question "how do I hack". That being the case they most likely wont encounter your post, luckily for them.

As for you thinking before you speak, it would appear that you aren't familiar with what you are thinking about or just don't think much at all, and are inclined towards bigotry. You never seem to ever back anything up with evidence. Conveniently, the all amazing intelligence you aren't so keen on is all me baby, no acting needed

The list goes on... saying Python is stronger than C++ is a bit vague as you didn't specify any particular strength, but considering C++ system development language with both high and low level features as well as wins hands down on the execution speeds it doesn't seem unreasonable to dispute that statement, nowhere in the definition of a high level language does it say "inherently stronger than lower level langauges" however it does say about them having strong abstraction from the hardware (at the cost of speed generally).

Point 5: I didn't say anything about you trashing Perl or PHP, I merely mentioned them in an arbitrary fashion when listing languages that are implemented in C, that dead language that is such a terrible sin.

20~ What makes JAVA not that usable? You (or at least plenty of others) can very easily make GUI driven applications thanks to the relative simplicity of the language and IDEs like Netbeans + it's got a lot of standard library functionality that .NET has which makes rapid development rather easy which seems pretty usable to me by any standard, and I would assume a lot of university lecturers too. I'm not sure how your comment about JAVA being hardly combined with other languages is meant to be relevent so I'll just skip that one and now onto the learning. JAVA might not be the easiest language to learn in the world, maybe some form of BASIC is, you could say Brainfuck is, but the point is you said JAVA is hard to learn which I dispute as many more languages are harder to fully learn such as C/C++ or even SuperHack.

Finally - Bite me lady lumps

JAVA is not that usable and it's hardly combined with other languages.


Whoa, back it up, NOT THAT USEFUL? Then tell me why many internet pages continue to use it?

What's next, you gonna tell me that Flash and Shockwave are useless too? ._.


JAVA is [not] easy to learn compared to other languages.

Well if you're into hacking expecting it to be easy, you'd best revise your choices for a hobby or job.

Python itself is ranked as a High-Level language while C++ is not.

You make it sound like being a High-Level language makes something superior to a low level language. Last I checked, most serious programmers lean towards low level languages, because they have the patience to learn them and like the capabilities.

Finally i will beg you to stop acting smarter then you are and leave me alone or i will self do something about it.


Scary. We've heard a lot of that from random users. What makes you different? Gonna go cry to a cracking forum? Do it.

Just the fact that you had to show us a code (Which you probably didn't write yourself)

He probably did, unless there's a "Liidian is a douchebag" code snippet out there (link please?)
Random hateful comments thrown about without thought provoke disaster and / or catastrophic failure.

is just proving the fact that you believe you're smarter then you are.

Not to nitpick, but I see this a lot in your posts. The word you are looking for is THAN.

Use of the letter 'A', my boy. (Yes, I am the spelling / grammar police, thanks.)



Hate to take sides, but I'll have to go with CodeX on this one.

Did I miss anything? ._.

PaRaDoX wrote:JAVA is not that usable and it's hardly combined with other languages.


Whoa, back it up, NOT THAT USEFUL? Then tell me why many internet pages continue to use it?

What's next, you gonna tell me that Flash and Shockwave are useless too? ._.


JAVA is [not] easy to learn compared to other languages.

Well if you're into hacking expecting it to be easy, you'd best revise your choices for a hobby or job.

Python itself is ranked as a High-Level language while C++ is not.

You make it sound like being a High-Level language makes something superior to a low level language. Last I checked, most serious programmers lean towards low level languages, because they have the patience to learn them and like the capabilities.

Finally i will beg you to stop acting smarter then you are and leave me alone or i will self do something about it.


Scary. We've heard a lot of that from random users. What makes you different? Gonna go cry to a cracking forum? Do it.

Just the fact that you had to show us a code (Which you probably didn't write yourself)

He probably did, unless there's a "Liidian is a douchebag" code snippet out there (link please?)
Random hateful comments thrown about without thought provoke disaster and / or catastrophic failure.

is just proving the fact that you believe you're smarter then you are.

Not to nitpick, but I see this a lot in your posts. The word you are looking for is THAN.

Use of the letter 'A', my boy. (Yes, I am the spelling / grammar police, thanks.)



Hate to take sides, but I'll have to go with CodeX on this one.

Did I miss anything? ._.

First off which annoyed me most of the time afterwards i had read this was:
"ITS THAN, C:".
I never provoked that my english is perfect which it's obviously not since my grammar is very poor neither can i ever remember the diffrence between THAN and THEN.

Second, JAVA is becoming and outdated language you can choose to reject it but it is.
Wow, all those "SERIOUS PROGRAMMERS" out there must be really good at taking out advantages of low level lang's lol.

Second yes i could go cry on a cracking forum for no use, or i could actually do something about it. If you choose to believe so or not is your choice. I don't like being told i am wrong when i am not, obviously in this situation i was the only1 providing facts while you both provided... beliefs? thoughts? Thank you anywhat for your application to bad it have been DENIED.

It's true your grasp of the English language leaves somewhat to be desired and at least you accept that, but being corrected isn't harmful and can only really help you and it's something I think you could really do with so wayhey for PaRaDoX's policing of written grammar.

Why is JAVA outdated? It's easily more portable than Microsoft's .NET as there aren't inconsistencies between different implementations of the VM (as there is with .NET and MONO) and is otherwise quite similar on the native library support. You seem to try to shield your ignorance with comments like "you can choose to reject it but it is" and numerous other things in your posts, which with your cocksure but generally wrong statements makes it appear as if you are somehow incapable of reasoning, this is backed up by the fact that as of yet I haven't seen you make a compelling argument for anything, just these "I'm right and your wrong, there is nothing to talk about as the Liidian has spoken: this is final!*bashes computer with small stick*" assertions. Sure people don't like to be wrong but maybe if you tried to loose these poorly founded assertions then you wouldn't end up being plain wrong and could be a part of a productive discussion. Your session is up, I hope you found my monologue helpful...

Next round loaded into the chamber: "serious programmers" taking out the advantages of lower languages? I'll assume this is one of those errors that results from that "thinking before I speak" thing you do and that this was meant to be a jibe at lower level languages for having some unsurmountable disadvantages, like they make your fingers fall off or something, but all I can say to that is WTF? Please correct me if that wasn't what you meant but I'd appreciate your rectification being well stated.

Finally once again, you really do not inspire confidence in your abilities so when you make some threat to "do something about it" it only really sounds like an idle threat from some overly cocky skiddie, what would you do? Verbally abuse us with a torrent of profanities? Get mummy or daddy to run us over in their car if they see us? Become an hero and show us how wrong we really are? I'm intrigued. Also when you say you are the only one providing facts thats frankly bullshit if you haven't already deduced that that is a fundamental fact of all that is you, all you do is make statements with ether none whatsoever or distinctly lacking reasoning which hardly constitutes a fact - plain dogmatic. I am right, you are wrong, you will never be right for I have made my statements (I even threw some reasoning in for your to chew on fido).

Have a nice day

it's not too apparent that I have taken a dislike to Liidian's ways is it?

"Thank you anywhat for your application to bad it have been DENIED."


'Anywhat', I wasn't applying to anything, especially not a sub-par judgment on your part, Liidian.

Another failed attempt at a witty / spiteful comment? *raises eyebrow*

PaRaDoX wrote:"Thank you anywhat for your application to bad it have been DENIED."


'Anywhat', I wasn't applying to anything, especially not a sub-par judgment on your part, Liidian.

Another failed attempt at a witty / spiteful comment? *raises eyebrow*

You were in the application queue for despiteful comments... but ok.

Liidian wrote:

PaRaDoX wrote:"Thank you anywhat for your application to bad it have been DENIED."


'Anywhat', I wasn't applying to anything, especially not a sub-par judgment on your part, Liidian.

Another failed attempt at a witty / spiteful comment? *raises eyebrow*

You were in the application queue for despiteful comments... but ok.

Lol, despiteful.

Application queue? More allegations about me 'applying' to something?

And Lol at your other comment.

"ITS THAN C:"

I don't think that's a very good recreation of how it was said. At least now I see that it really is true:


"Once an idiot, always an idiot".

PaRaDoX wrote:

Liidian wrote:

PaRaDoX wrote:"Thank you anywhat for your application to bad it have been DENIED."


'Anywhat', I wasn't applying to anything, especially not a sub-par judgment on your part, Liidian.

Another failed attempt at a witty / spiteful comment? *raises eyebrow*

You were in the application queue for despiteful comments... but ok.

Lol, despiteful.

Application queue? More allegations about me 'applying' to something?

And Lol at your other comment.

"ITS THAN C:"

I don't think that's a very good recreation of how it was said. At least now I see that it really is true:


"Once an idiot, always an idiot".

I heard talking to yourself isn't a very normal behavior.

OH SNAP LOL 3rd GRADE COMEBACKS BETTER WATCH THE FUCK OUT!

But seriously, liidian, this is a steaming pile of shit. Do you even know anything about programming languages? "Herp derp java outdated" Its one of the newest used languages. C and C++ are totally useless because they haven't been used as the main programming language for almost all video games or anything. Python isn't better just because it is labeled "high level". High level languages, if you didn't know, are merely closer to english. Low level languages, like c and c++ are closer to the machine code, and as already stated, gives a substantially greater amount of control and efficiency.

Most of the pointing out how much of a fucking dumbass you are has already been done so have a nice day

BTW find the nearest highway, its great for a playground for people like you ^_^

#Edit# Wrong thread :S Move along now...