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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:47 am
by Hippo
dangermouse@ was your solution of the kind (3/20)^5 probability solution or you made something better?

Thanks for answer :)

Surely Smallesterest Mouse

Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:04 am
by a.goth
Since challenge 'Surely Smallesterest Mouse' apparently can only be solved with incredible luck, I would like to discuss potential solution ideas openly. Do you agree with that?

The most general solution which I have so far, returns max{cell[r ± 1], cell[s]}, where 0 < r < 9 and 0 ≤ s ≤ 9:

    (r + 1)<(r - 1)<:r+< s< 11^3^::v p

With at most 19 instructions, is there a better approach than comparing three memory cells and returning their maximum? Are there perhaps memory cells where the largest number occurs more frequent?

Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:26 pm
by Hippo
At least I am sending max of 3 cells algorithm each 1 hour. Average solution time is about 1.5 year. I am still unlucky.

Actually I use just

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10<1<::<s<11^3^::^p
so your code is more general (I have 0,1 fixed instead of your's r+/-1) and I use ^ rather to v.

BTW: I have tested it on already solved mouses (where there is no pondering penalty) and number of tries till success was "random" as expected.

Surely Smallesterest Mouse

Posted: Tue May 09, 2017 5:12 pm
by a.goth
It would be nice to get some information from the five solvers, but I do not count on it. On the other hand, except for Enodo, all solvers seem to be still active. Perhaps it makes sense to send them a PM to draw their attention to the thread? I have to think about it.

Uniform distribution

Posted: Sat May 13, 2017 3:03 pm
by a.goth
I have inspected 5,000 test cases and here is how the maximum was distributed over the first 20 locations in memory:

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cell  ||   0 |   1 |   2 |   3 |   4 |   5 |   6 |   7 |   8 |   9
------++-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+---- ...
count || 260 | 259 | 242 | 253 | 251 | 240 | 253 | 237 | 254 | 238


          10 |  11 |  12 |  13 |  14 |  15 |  16 |  17 |  18 |  19
     ... ----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+-----+----
         224 | 244 | 268 | 241 | 258 | 243 | 228 | 269 | 269 | 269
This looks evenly distributed to me. In addition, your program would not have been successful and mine exactly once for the parameters r = 4, s = 6, r = 4, s = 9 and r = 7, s = 5.

Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:34 am
by Hippo
Hippo wrote:At least I am sending max of 3 cells algorithm each 1 hour. Average solution time is about 1.5 year. I am still unlucky.

Actually I use just

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10<1<::<s<11^3^::^p
so your code is more general (I have 0,1 fixed instead of your's r+/-1) and I use ^ rather to v.

BTW: I have tested it on already solved mouses (where there is no pondering penalty) and number of tries till success was "random" as expected.
I am clearly unlucky as my solution takes already more than expected value ... still expected value is 1.5 year from now solution.

BTW: a.goth ... I agree your solution can match more possible cases, but the success rate is same as trying memory 0,1,2 in each attempt. ... OK if the generator would not generate equally random cases, knowing it could favour you.

There is still harvestsnow's hint about 7/40 success probability per test (what was not confirmed nor rejected).

Surely Smallesterest Mouse

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2018 5:00 pm
by a.goth
Hippo wrote:There is still harvestsnow's hint about 7/40 success probability per test (what was not confirmed nor rejected).
I have already been pondering a lot about harvestsnow's post. The only way I have found so far to achieve this probability of success is to use 4 of the 20 numbers and return their maximum in 21 of the 24 possible permutations. This would result in--correct me if I am wrong--a probability of success of exactly 4/20 * 21/24 = 7/40. Unfortunately, I have not found such a HVM program yet. Any ideas anyone?

Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 7:41 am
by Hippo
For a long time the follower is the only quest I "activelly" work on. I start feel the probability is against me ... I am already far after the "half-life".

Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:21 am
by Hippo
Wow, I have finally won the lottery.