Research - Hackers please help

S3th · Post by **S3th** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:04 am

There is another group of people who loudly call themselves hackers, but aren't. These are people (mainly adolescent males) who get a kick out of breaking into computers and phreaking the phone system. Real hackers call these people ‘crackers’ and want nothing to do with them. Real hackers mostly think crackers are lazy, irresponsible, and not very bright, and object that being able to break security doesn't make you a hacker any more than being able to hotwire cars makes you an automotive engineer. Unfortunately, many journalists and writers have been fooled into using the word ‘hacker’ to describe crackers; this irritates real hackers no end.

The basic difference is this: hackers build things, crackers break them.

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lishi · Post by **lishi** » Sat Mar 21, 2009 12:18 pm

cyberajith wrote:plope0726:

I agree with what you have written. Esp. the points about "hacking" code and "cracking" passwords. But as you said, "ethics" here is very subjective - and I don't not think the "intent" behind an action allows a person to think he didn't do anything wrong inspite of breaking into a system. If a person says " I broke into your house, just to see how well it is built, and what locks you have in your doors and if i could pick them, but I didn't steal anything so I am not a thief" - I don't think the owner would be pleased with the person - or the law.

Bottom line: When you break into a system - you are doing something that is NOT ethical nor legal. Whether you are termed a hacker or a cracker or a script junkie. The only time it is ethical/legal is when a company AUTHORIZES you to break into a system under THEIR OWNERSHIP to learn about its weaknesses.

..unless, maybe, one is breaking into a system to stop a megalomaniac tyrant from activating some deadly nuclear weapon and blowing up half the world

I very much like how you think cyberajith. You seem quite logical and detached on this subject matter. I suspect you are neither a hacker nor a cracker and are in fact, just someone who is very knowledgable in the technology behind computing. What is your profession? Are you professionally involved with computers or is this merely a hobby?

TheJok3r · Post by **TheJok3r** » Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:32 pm

Hacking is an art and I hate those wanna-be losers that just download the stuff and don't earn their iron like the rest of us

Zaffron · Post by **Zaffron** » Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:48 pm

Heh....

I am lacking any iron that can be gained right now. I know a tiny bit of python, vb, and most of basic (nothing graphical T.T)

Anywhoo, I still have a long way to go but in the wise words of PaRaDoX

You never truly fail unless you have given up
-PaRaDoX

treader · Post by **treader** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:18 pm

FORGIVE ME but this is a real lame argument according to me hacker or cracker what a waste. MY SINCEIER APOLOGIES

plope0726 · Post by **plope0726** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 3:33 pm

Then why post in this thread?

treader · Post by **treader** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 4:13 pm

just to let u know that u should be a littel mor of a wide range of thinking not in a narrow alley if u know wht i mean.

plope0726 · Post by **plope0726** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:20 pm

How is it that you come to the conclusion that we're narrow minded? Just because a person has an opinion that they state openly and is in opposition to yours or anyone else doesn't make them narrow minded. It sounds to me that you're the narrow minded one because you are calling other people narrow minded that may have a different opinion than yours.

Zaffron · Post by **Zaffron** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 9:07 pm

Oh sn-aap!

PaRaDoX · Post by **PaRaDoX** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:36 am

Zaffron wrote:Heh....

I am lacking any iron that can be gained right now. I know a tiny bit of python, vb, and most of basic (nothing graphical T.T)

Anywhoo, I still have a long way to go but in the wise words of PaRaDoX

You never truly fail unless you have given up
-PaRaDoX

I said that?

*sagely contemplation*

oh.

PaRaDoX · Post by **PaRaDoX** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:39 am

cyberajith wrote:Are my eyes deceiving me or are a group of enlightened "hackers" mocking some poor lesser soul who doesn't know anything about computers?

Im sure lots of people who read this would say that that is not cracking or hacking! heck, it doesn't even have anything to do with technology. Well cracking is basically an all out attempt to get into a system that one wants to, and anything is allowed to meet that end.

oooh, a nice intelligent response ^^

@ befriending a guy at the ISP, I believe that's called social engineering

treader · Post by **treader** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:38 pm

plope0726 wrote:How is it that you come to the conclusion that we're narrow minded? Just because a person has an opinion that they state openly and is in opposition to yours or anyone else doesn't make them narrow minded. It sounds to me that you're the narrow minded one because you are calling other people narrow minded that may have a different opinion than yours.

i never told anybody narrow minded thats what ur calling yourself i just said u werent thinking straight anyway i wouldent want to waste my time on such silly arguments.

plope0726 · Post by **plope0726** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 1:42 pm

[quote="treader"]just to let u know that u should be a littel mor of a wide range of thinking not in a narrow alley if u know wht i mean.[/quote]

If that's not what this implies then please...explain.

[quote="treader"]...i wouldent want to waste my time on such silly arguments.[/quote]

yet you are here...wasting time?

treader · Post by **treader** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:06 pm

plope0726 wrote:
treader wrote:just to let u know that u should be a littel mor of a wide range of thinking not in a narrow alley if u know wht i mean.
If that's not what this implies then please...explain.

treader wrote:...i wouldent want to waste my time on such silly arguments.
yet you are here...wasting time?

why dont u try to find out your self what i mean by that im sure ur smart enough to find that out for your self wituot much effort. And tell me what u think so that i may tell u if ur right.

plope0726 · Post by **plope0726** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 5:19 pm

do you even know what you meant by that, or were you just posting more nonsense.